Redirecting Your Life and Career with Mattie Murrey-Tegels

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I believe in when you do the work and you have that drive and you have someone to hold you accountable and help you see where you wanna go.

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Then that's when things happen.

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You're listening to the exceptional leaders podcast.

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Each week we give you a front row seat to our conversations with new and successful entrepreneurs and thought leaders making an impact in the special education and disability communities.

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They share their intimate experiences so you can start grow and expand your impact.

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I'm James burgess of slp transitions dot com and I'm Mai Ling Chan, you can find me at mai ling chan dot com.

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Today's episode is with maddy, Murray tingles.

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We are so excited to share this interview with you James, thanks so much for doing it.

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It was my pleasure.

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Maddie is someone you want to listen to if you've ever wondered about pivoting in your career path or pivoting in life in general.

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She started out as an slp and you'll hear in the interview.

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She really navigated through her curiosity from Slp to an author of writing over a million words in one year, which is, I don't even know how someone writes a million words in a year.

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Right?

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I can write W.

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Right?

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Yeah, I'll write that down.

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I got that one and she's for all our speech nerds out there.

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We will go off on linguistic tangents whenever we feel, but she's a professor and she's a coach and there is a mention light mention trigger warning for those out there who are sensitive to this.

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She does mention suicide for a brief moment, does not go in depth, but just want you to be aware of that.

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All this to say is she's been through a lot.

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She's motorcycle her way.

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Uh I don't know if that's a verb motorcycle her way through the nation.

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She's truly a badass.

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And yeah, this is an episode to listen to, to hear about self care, how you can pivot follow your curiosity and how life can bring ups and downs, but that can be a real gift and you can find your momentum through trauma and you know, re examine your life and be anything you want.

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She's a perfect example of that.

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I mean, it really inspired me in our conversation in my life, I've kind of taken maddy's advice which is stay open to opportunities, even though I'm a clinician I stayed open to right now mailing, I didn't tell you this, but I have maybe an opportunity, I don't want to jinx myself to be a content manager for a company that's doing really interesting things in psychedelic assisted therapy.

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So so psychedelics, mushrooms, mushrooms, or shrooms.

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Um yeah, we think of shrooms, acid, all these things, we probably think of sixties and Bell bottoms and Woodstock, but there's been since then the war on drugs and now these things are finally being de stigmatized again, where we're realizing through research and controlled trials that these aren't just for enhancing music, but they actually have properties that can heal treatment resistant depression or anxiety and trauma.

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So actually better than a lot of S.

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I's and traditional prescription medications, People who take ketamine treatments, veterans who have gone through PTSD and taking M.

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You know, it's not a panacea doesn't cure everything but it's thought to unlock something in you where with therapy it can really help facilitate the therapeutic process.

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So interesting.

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Well there's so much to unpack here and I want to jump in.

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Um the one thing I want to ask you and this is because our listeners are always on the verge of looking for how we can connect what we do with what we love, you know with our passions.

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And so this is a really interesting little niche here.

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When you were approached teams, I'm assuming that you don't do psychedelic medication.

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So when you approached did you have to really internalize and analyze whether this aligns with your professional judgment with your personal viewpoints, you know, how did you take on this business proposal?

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Yeah that's a great question.

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Well as far as content, you know, I'm always been interested in psychology and linguistics and language and mental health.

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And to me this is just the next frontier in mental health.

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So I know in this podcast we talk about disabilities from a clinical and entrepreneurial standpoint and this is just one facet of that.

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So it really aligns with how can we help people with these debilitating illnesses like treatment resistant depression and whether or not that was psychedelics, I would be interested in that.

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So it would be whatever we can help people with mental health is obviously it's a huge issue in our nation and in the world.

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So yeah, interesting.

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So the reason why I'm bringing this up again for our listener is he's obviously a practicing speech language pathologist, he has his license.

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He will not be actually involved in any of these therapies, but he will be providing a different service in terms of these content, manage and marketing for them.

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So, you know, we can do so many things with our degree and I really, really invite you to get creative, you know, and do things like this.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's basically would be a journalist where I'm asking the experts, I'm not pretending to be an expert, but I'm going to interview people sort of like on this podcast and I do want to ask you mailing because your life you hit a milestone and happy birthday to you.

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Happy birthday Yeah.

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How was your birthday?

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Um epic.

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I know I always try to do something in one word and that was that just encompasses it all.

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Um I had the blessings of having 26 friends and family come with me to a destination birthday and James.

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It was incredible.

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I can't even, I can't even describe, you know, just to have everyone there and have good quality time with everyone and everyone jelled and Usually women don't like to say the age, you know, so for me to be sharing that, I'm 50, it's a pretty big deal.

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Um but it was it was amazing and I'm just so blessed especially after everyone coming out of, you know, being in quarantine and not seeing each other for so long, so thank you for asking and I'm really excited that I can share.

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Yeah, no, I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but it is a blessing and I did see on social media, you said something about you feel actually less imposter syndrome now than you did a decade ago and I think there, you know, that's to be celebrated, there's blessings that come with different stages of life and if you can get less out of your head and more with your friends and just connected with people, then that's something to celebrate.

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Yeah, that sounds absolutely, it's pervasive to the whole imposter syndrome.

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So for our listeners to, you know, I wanted to be a blogger, I wanted to be a teepee tear, you know, there's always things I wanted to be and that just wasn't organic to me and I finally realized that I just got to be me, you know, I got to be may I want to be a podcaster and I want to present and you know, I want to create digital products and that's where my jam is and that's what you gotta do is just embrace yourself.

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Exactly, Well said, so that's actually a perfect segway.

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I think into the interview with Maddie Marie Teagle because she reinvents herself, follows her imposter syndrome and says not today, impostor syndrome.

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I know, and so, you know, her website is the Badass slp, I just love it, I love her, I met her on linkedin, you know, I stalked her, I like to use that word.

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Um and then I introduced her to James and a couple other people.

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She's just incredible.

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So after you listen, I highly recommend that you get out there and you find her and follow her.

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She just has so much to share and I really think you're gonna love this episode.

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James did a great job, thank you and please follow us for clips coming.

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I know we keep saying this, but we're gonna edit some clips and put them on instagram, possibly Tiktok because maybe you don't have the whole day to really, it's only half hour you have time to listen to the podcast.

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Maybe you just want to see a highlight clip.

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So we're gonna be putting those on social media soon.

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And with that, let's get into the episode.

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Excellent.

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Hello everybody today.

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I'm joined by a very special guest maddy, Murray tingles and she's the founder of the fresh slp, Badass slp and the missing link for S.

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P's podcast.

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She's been in the trenches as a medical slp.

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She traveled around the world, she rides motorcycles and even got a medal from robert Redford, which we might have to get into, but she's also an assistant professor for three years.

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Among another amazing list of fascinating things which we'll get into Maddie.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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Thanks for having me, I'm happy to be here excited for discussion today.

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So your work and life is so varied as you can tell by that intro.

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I want to start off with what makes a badass slp and do I have to ride a motorcycle to be one?

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No, you don't.

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In fact on my website I have me with a picture of Zeus, my motorcycle and people are like, what does motorcycling have to do?

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Being a bad slp just means that you are on your journey on your ride, doing what you wanna do, throttling up your career or your life where you want to go, not going an explanation or rationalization to anybody.

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So it's really being you, I love that being you and wherever that takes you, whether it's around the world in a different career path and I know you do coaching for S.

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Right in different stages of their career.

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I'm wondering is there a common thread or common things.

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People come to you with questions about how they can take control of their career in their path.

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There is that's a good question a lot of times people will come and they'll say, you know, as a graduate professor when I meet with a student there, like this is what I want to do, and this is why I want to become a speech pathologist.

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And they sometimes quickly way to quickly lose that big y and they lose that um drive to be in a speech language pathologist.

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And so they come for the coaching because they're like, I still kind of want to do this, but I don't know how to do what I want to do as an slp.

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Sometimes they say I'm done being an slp and here's where I want to go, or I'm not sure where I wanna go.

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So the common theme is I'm at a point in my life where I really am not where I want to be and I want to go somewhere else and how do I get there?

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So that's where the coaching piece comes in, hmm.

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And I know you and I talked on your podcast, the missing link for S.

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LPS, everyone check that out after you listen to this one and we talked about slp transitions, but so there's a sort of the spectrum in my mind of people at different stages of their career.

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You know, maybe they're starting off and they're scared.

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I think that's pretty common in the cf.

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I know I was scared shitless, my first year and you have supervisor, you have help, but you're still thrown off the deep end and you're seeing a caseload for the first time.

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So I sort of advise s LPS who are wanting to run from the hills in the beginning to wait it out, because it does get better with any job, you just have to get through that initial hump.

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And I do see that as maybe a mistake of if it's painful run away immediately, but I wonder if you have any thoughts on when to stick something out or when you're coaching practice, especially early career, you know, what's the difference between staying too long or just not being patient enough?

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Well, we've all put a lot of time and money into our schooling and developing our careers or even launching our careers, and the beauty of coaching is, I don't get to tell anybody what to do.

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I help them come to that realization on their own.

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And so we explore the emotions, the mindsets, the feelings of where they are when they come to me to start their coaching.

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Some of them are like, I've always wanted to be a med slp, but I started in the schools and their vice versa.

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I thought I wanted to be a med slp, and I want to go into the schools and this isn't happening for me, so we take a look at those emotions and where they are are with identifying burnout versus being tired versus are they really where they want to be working in their careers and we explore those deeper.

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So one of the things that we work through right away is we do a clarity course on where are you right now in your career, what is going well, what is not going well, what is confusing and what is missing?

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And so by going through those four reflective questions, were able to get clarity kind of like a snapshot on where their emotions and their thoughts are, then the coaching piece helps them.

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We work through vision boarding and the reason I even started coaching and I was a little hesitant to do it because I value education and I have this Master's degree and I'm this speech language pathologist and coaching is not a regulated um it's not a regulated anything, it's coaching, you have the International Coaching Foundation, which if you get that credential is great, but there's a lot of people out there who can hang up a shingle and say I'm a coach, so I wasn't sure if I wanted to move into the coaching realm because I wanted to be providing a service that I knew was really good and I didn't know if I could get the resources and develop my coaching into that area.

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I've kind of put my toe in the water a couple of years ago and started with coaching and it has just gone so well and it is so exciting to watch S.

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Really step into their careers or not step into their careers but step into their life and where they want to go and I now am a firm believer in coaching because it's a missing piece.

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A missing link.

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Executive businesses use them all the time And the return on coaching is research shows this is 287%.

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So it's a um investment in yourself to move your career in your life where you wanted to go and it's just been super rewarding for me.

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But to loop back I'm a professor.

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I sometimes talk too much to loop back.

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I like to start with my coaching clients on answering those four questions because it gives us a snapshot and allows them to dive.

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Not one not two but three levels deeper into the issues the challenges, the thoughts that they're having right now in their slp careers and in their lives and from there they explore and decide where they're gonna go there really in control of where they want to go and what they want to do.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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It's almost like inception.

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They have to arrive at the conclusion themselves in their mind.

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You can't force it.

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I'm wondering are there common missing links you see after coaching so many people I would think people are surprised sometimes as they go through the process.

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Maybe they come in with a surface level worry and you dig deeper and you get into the emotional below the iceberg and they go, oh actually it's this not that I'm wondering if you have any examples of that I do.

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People come in where they're like, they know they're not happy, they're searching out the coaching but they don't know where they go or what they want to do.

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And we were talking about coaching earlier, you and I on you know, how do we offer what people are looking for And it's so different depending on um what they're looking for.

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I had um Sarah who came to me who was in a sniff setting and crying every day on the way home in the car.

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She didn't feel she had the support of her director.

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She didn't feel she had the respect of her team.

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And the pressures that she was working under were huge.

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And she wrote me a letter said I just warning you I'm coming and I'm going to cry for the first little bit.

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She was crying because she was genuinely just so emotional.

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She wanted to stay in the career.

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But she didn't know how she could do that.

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And so we worked with her, she's now an assistant professor and has her own private practice voice clinic doing super well.

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I worked with another Sarah who had wanted to start a medical slp.

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She started in the schools for three years because that's what she felt she could get and she transferred to the West Coast for med slp sniff, no supervision, nothing.

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She felt she was harming her patients.

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So she fleed that position and came back and quote unquote, settled for the schools.

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And I say that because I believe that school S LPS and medicine, we are both so valuable in our field.

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And she now is finishing up a course.

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I said it's quite the course on the nicu pediatric feeding and she's built up her resume and taken the time to hone out where she wants to go with her career and she's doing what she wants to do.

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I've had another slp who is at the end of her career and she's like, I've had this great career, I want to retire.

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I don't want the demands anymore.

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But I really want to continue to feel like I'm helping people and providing the service, where can I go in my retirement years.

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And so it is all along the scale all along the spectrum.

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I have two marys I'm working with repetitive names.

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One mary, her Children are growing up and out of the home.

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So she's stepping back into her career and it's likely not going to be where she left when she had Children.

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And so she has this wonderful panoramic view of where can I go, what can I do?

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And the other mary is working hard on paying off student loans and and really discovering where her niches and her her, you know, where does she lose herself when she works.

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And so we're discovering when she loses herself, that's really where she's gonna find herself.

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So these are some of the coaching clients I work with.

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I love that you lose yourself, that's where you'll find yourself, reminds me of the flow state kind of getting lost in your work when you're so engaged, you lose track of time.

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And part of that is feeling like you're in your zone of genius, I think is like where your skills meet just outside your comfort zone, right?

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You don't want to be too overwhelmed and too stressed out or else you're just in fight or flight, but you also don't want to be under challenge and under stimulated, where you need coffee just to function at work all the time.

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But I'm guilty of needing coffee.

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I think at the end of our semester here at the time of this recording and I think I went through uh six cups of coffee yesterday.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It starts to, you know, you get a little addiction going, but hey, it brings me happiness.

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You got to find that balance.

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And it sounds like a lot of these clients you're working with.

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Do you find a balance somewhere, but it might not be where they expect?

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And that's sort of like your story maddie.

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I'm just thinking about how you've reinvented, you have all these different labels and being a speech language pathologist already holds a lot of identity capital, as I say, it's like you go through grad school, you're working very personally with people personal connection, it's all about communication.

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And I'm wondering what what was your why or you know your your own case study in a way.

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How did you reinvent yourself?

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You do courses you do an online membership again, You you write a million words per year, which is unfathomable to me.

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Did you always know you wanted to do all these things or how did you explore that in yourself?

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I was I have two other sisters who are speech pathologists.

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I just I look up to my big sister and I was an slp in the medical setting for many, many, many years and then my husband died and I found myself a single mom with five Children to raise.

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I was in a very strong religious church and the church said ah you know it was a death by suicide and I found that I was without a community.

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And I was responsible for me raising my family and I was very happy that I had my career and I stepped into my career.

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My Children are now raised and I got to this point where I was I had remarried and I had shifted down to the cities and I wasn't finding the contentment with my work, I wasn't finding that I didn't feel like I had a lot of control in my hours and my salary and my caseload.

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And so I myself, somebody said hire a coach and I hired a coach and this was a life coach and I had all of these things that I brought to my life coach and I said, I know I want to go somewhere, I know I want to figure out where I want to go for the last half of my life And I worked through coaching with her.

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So my coaching program reflects a lot of what I went through with her because it's working for me.

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She said this is how you create a vision board, right, 300 post it notes and I started writing posted notes of all the things I wanted to do in my life, meet Oprah, sleep in a haunted house.

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All these incredible things that some of I would achieve and some I would probably not achieve.

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I want to um wake up, happy to go to work every day.

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I want to connect with my kids on a weekly basis and I did all these 300 notes and I then organize them and I put them on a timeline.

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I wanted to be a professor and I'm a professor, I wanted to write a book and I'm writing my second book this summer.

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I wanted to start a podcast and we have, we're closing in on 40,000 followers.

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I'm stepping into the coaching realm because I believe in it, I believe in when you do the work and you have that drive and you have someone to hold you accountable and help you see where you want to go, then that's when things happen.

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So no, I did not start off thinking I was gonna do all these things.

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It evolved through the coaching that I went through and I'm getting older and it's harder to put in those huge clinic days.

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Just as harder.

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I get tired at the end of the day and I want more left from me.

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I don't know if that's right.

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I have the heart and mind of a speech pathologist, but I hope to influence the next generations of S.

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Thank you for sharing that.

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And I would say your burn, you're not fading away.

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It was better to burn out than to fade away, but you're like a shooting star, just like, here's here's everything I know in every format and take what you will and I love it.

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It's just like you've diversified your identity and and yourself and your legacy and it brings up a lot of thoughts for me like that, you don't have to pick one thing sort of a narrative.

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We've, you know, it's wild to me that even in high school I put so much pressure on myself to get the right major pick.

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You know, I even went into a depression thinking if I don't pick the right major, you know, that's you decide your career and that's it.

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And if I don't like my career, you're stuck and especially nowadays like there's no gatekeepers.

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If you want to make a podcast, you just set up a mic record, it doesn't have to be perfect.

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Just do it if you want to write a newsletter, it's like 20 bucks a month or whatever.

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So actually free if you have a free like male chip account, whatever mail service you use.

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So the idea economy or being able to communicate and connect with people, it's it increases your luck surface area too because like how you and I met is just by Mutual people in the field because we put our work out there, we put our thoughts out there with on social media or podcasting.

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So it's pretty cool.

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Like even if you just meet other people but to circle that all back Maddie.

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I was thinking about you talk about career, of course it takes about 80,000 hours of our, of our life is spent working just wild.

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See you inside now, let's get back to our amazing interview, you were talking about self care and doing things outside your career.

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How important is self care and what are some things you do outside of work that keep you fresh?

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A fresh slp a fresh slp.

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Um recent research has shown that self care is very important and research is expanding to show that group care is also important.

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So not only do we have to take care of ourselves, it's in our best interest to take care of one another and watch out for one another as well.

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So I have a colleague down the hallway.

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Um I call her sweet sarah, she's just sunshine.

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She's always putting her head in here, Hey, how you doing today?

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And it's a real simple exchange.

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So my self care includes group care to those real close, just those close with me, family, friends, how you doing today?

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And including expanding my circle and intentionally reaching out to people.

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Um not in a big way but just in small, sometimes intangible ways.

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Myself cares include ways that resonate with me.

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I'm a big bubble bath person.

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I meditate.

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The latest thing I've learned to do is this may sound deleted people, but I have a meditation app and I'm not the type of person that sits on a mat with legs folded across and meditates like that.

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That's not my style.

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I wish it was.

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It's five minutes long and I lay in bed and I do the grounding.

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I do that wonderful meditation, here's your day.

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Whatever the meditation is, that's a huge thing for me to get my mind at the beginning of the day.

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This is what my focus is.

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I make sure that I take time and I do things that I enjoy and my biggest self care is living true to myself and what is important to me and I know if I don't want to do something, I don't do it.

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If I if that's not what I want for dinner, I fix something else or I tell my husband, you know, I'm not a big pork eater, so doing those little things that are important to me that you know, the bath, the bubble bath and the meditation and motorcycling of course, but also staying true to who I am, taking care of me, taking care of you and setting boundaries.

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It sounds like with internally just something I've struggled with and I'm working on continually, but setting boundaries with yourself.

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Like when you said you wake up, you take that time to meditate, I'm trying not to wake up and go straight to my phone or check email because then you just get in that reactive, you know, hyper mode where you're like, you're already starting off on your back foot, you know, talking like a boxing match, you're you're just reacting so I love that you're being proactive, you're letting your mind the dust settle first before you start your day and then boundaries with other people.

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Hey, I don't want to eat that, I'm not gonna eat that or I'm not gonna do that, I don't want to do that.

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So we're not gonna want to watch that movie, it's not because I'm narcissistic or the world has to revolve around me and I compromise and I'll eat pork once in a while, but it's recognizing that my wants and needs have value And that transitions over into workplace setting self advocating for ourselves and really stating this is where my value is and this is what I bring to the table and recognizing that and that is what coaching does.

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The biggest thing that I see with the clients that I coach is they become so much more empowered with who they are and where they want to go And you know, I use, I'm such a left brain individual and somebody told me a little while ago about vibrations and I'm like, you know, but I, there's something to that.

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I think like you and I, we've got a good synergy and when you meet other people that you have that synergy with pay attention to that.

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Pay attention to where you do get lost and then go find yourself.

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It's finding where you vibrate the best, mm trusting your gut and your intuition.

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I think that's a skill because to get out of your head and kind of let your mind body whatever you wanna call it.

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The vibration sort of that inner voice that's been with you since your child.

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Tell you it might not know the exact answer of like change settings and go to a medical setting.

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It's not that logical, but it tells you when something's off or when something doesn't feel right and you need to make a change.

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That's why those four questions are so important, what's right, what's wrong, what's confusing and what's missing and you need to create the space.

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Now I know you're a big snowboarder, so when you're up on that mountain and you're coming down, your mind is free, I mean, I'm sure you're focused on on the hill and what you're doing, but there's also a part of you that's able to explore subconsciously your thoughts when I'm on my motorcycle, I ride silent, that's where my mind gets to connect and breathe.

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So find those areas in your life, whether it's walking behind the stroller, I don't know wherever, find and create a space in your life for you to process and think absolutely, and I did get into that flow zone, snowboarding and it's the best feeling obviously because it's just fun, but also it's actual neuroscience of your prefrontal cortex dims down and that's the overthinking perfectionist part of your brain.

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So all that mental chatter about how am I doing, what's gonna happen next?

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How is my past?

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So you have self care is so important mechanism says to live in the moment and I am not buddhist and I love so many of their teachings, but it's, you know, don't look to the past because the past is gone, the future is not here live in the moment and I've tried to live that for many, many years be in the moment.

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Yeah, and to your point, it doesn't have to be snowboarding or riding a motorcycle, it can just be taking a walk and I love the quote that you brought up before we started recording, which is wherever you go, there you are.

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So, you know, you might think on instagram, you see people traveling the world, oh, I have to be doing that, that's where bliss is, that's where happiness is.

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I mean, it's like you're with your head all day.

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So even if you're in Thailand sipping a cocktail or whatever it is on the beach you at the end of the day, it's it's you and your thoughts, so you have to carve out that time for yourself so important and do that, exploring on what brings you joy and fulfillment, what brings you where do you want your life to go?

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And only you can answer those questions and whether you do it through coaching, whether you do it through a spiritual journey or you know, however you do it go those layers deep and find where that is for you.

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I think one of the things that adds to my dimension is I've gone through great grief and great loss and every day is a gift.

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And if we choose to stay in our professions are profession, then excellent and if we choose to transition out of our profession as slp excellent.

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Find a place where you fill your days with meaningful things that add to your heart rather than take away.

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Because I saw you said that you consider yourself an introvert right?

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And actually I identify as an intra people who what your speech language pathologist, you communicate for a living, that's all you do.

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What do you what are you talking about?

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So I'm curious what strengths or weaknesses but mostly you know what is the the edge you have as an introvert in this profession or in the other work that you do?

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I don't know if there's one that I've seen a facebook group for introverted S.

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But yeah I'm curious what your thoughts are about introversion and slp I understand the interest being on all the time because as an introvert we tend to really like our downtime and a quiet time because they're introverts and that is our time when we connect and do things that fill us up versus an extrovert is they go out and they have these social interactions and these things that they do and that's what fills them up.

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So as an introverted slp I'm and a writer.

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I'm very happy by myself writing reading, doing more solitary type activities.

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So my to answer that question I hadn't thought about it, choose a career or a job or a setting where you're able to be you.

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So if you're an introverted slp then find a position.

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Um and I know I definitely associate with the on off, I'm turning myself on for this podcast when this podcast is done I'll go back to being quiet and alone and I'm okay with with both find a position that you can turn on and off and you can step outside of the introversion introverted self and then always have that area where you can go back to.

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If you're transitioning out with those work might be a different setting totally and that's okay because the skills that you've earned our years to keep.

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Most people think of it as a sunk cost of, oh I went to grad school and it's very specialized.

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But that's so far from the truth of communication skills whether through writing reading uh talking obviously but communicating complex medical terminology and bringing it down for parent friendly language.

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That applies to writing research even design thinking like not graphic design necessarily but you x because you're thinking about how a user uses U.

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So really taking these high minded concepts and bringing them down to adapt to individualized users and talking to multiple stakeholders like administration parents, students getting by in like everything in business or anywhere you work.

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So these are all really good skills.

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The vision boarding exercise I do is interesting because when you do the 300 post it notes, a pattern emerges over those 300 notes.

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So then you organize them and it it clearly comes out whether you have a lean towards teaching or lean towards technology or a lean towards counseling or you know whatever it is and those are the rabbit trails then that the S.

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So just accept that.

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But it's like choose your, choose your regret, choose your challenge and hopefully it's a meaningful challenge and not one that feels like drudgery, like pushing a who's the person who pushed the stone up the hill?

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The greek mythology.

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Why can't say okay, well done, well done James.

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He's yeah, he's doomed for eternity to push a stone up a hill.

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So hopefully you don't feel like that in your career.

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No, you don't wanna be flattened by the ball when it rolls back on, you know, and gravity always wins.

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Speaking of um you know, we're almost out of time.

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I have so much I want to talk to you about, but I know you're doing something with your state association and podcasting.

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Can you tell us a little bit about that?

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Sure, I sit on the Minnesota speech language Hearing association as an executive committee member and we every other month host a webinar and podcast.

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So podcast means we do the webinar, we do a facebook live, it's open and free if you want to join MENSA page and I moderate.

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So there's other executive members on there and then we're pulling guests and we have discussions that are mentioned, members have said they want to talk about the next one we have coming up is going to be time management and the one following that it's going to be stress management and we just completed podcast on burnout and things.

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Um, so I'm, I moderate the panel, I moderate the whole discussion so I set it up.

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I get the questions bio, I create the questions and then I have the whole podcast so amazing.

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And so I didn't even know there was such a thing as a State association podcasting intersection.

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That's cool.

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And before I forget you wanted to talk about the difference between burnout and being tired.

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I think that is an important distinction.

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What is the difference between I'm just tired and I need to recharge or self care and feeling completely burnt out?

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Good question.

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If you go on a trip a trip for a week or two and you come back to your position and you feel refreshed and ready to go, still knowing that there's other challenges, but you feel refreshed, then you were tired.

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If you come back from your vacation and you dread your position, then you're burned out and those are flags to pay attention to, even if you don't get the luxury of taking a vacation, try to differentiate Are you tired but still love what you do?

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Are you burned out and you don't want to do it anymore.

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And so when we do, when we coach, when we go through those questions and people choose, do I want to stay in this career?

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Or am I shifting my big y into something different?

369
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Those are important things to distinguish.

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Amazing.

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Yeah, I can see that as be so disappointing to go on vacation and then come back and realize that this vacation didn't solve anything.

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But it's an important, important realization then you can make your vision board start with that awareness awesome.

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Well, for any entrepreneurial clinicians out there, because I know there are some people who listen to this podcast who are like, I want to be an exceptional leader, I want to do something but beyond my degree, maybe writing maybe podcasting courses, maybe something completely different like you maddie.

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So I wonder if you have one piece of advice you would share for someone who's thinking about being an entrepreneur, doing different things, do it, Don't waste time.

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Now is the time to step forward and begin exploring that, finding your resources and coming up with the road map on how to get that done.

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You're already shown that you can do a graduate degree and step into a career, so I'm sure there's nothing holding you back, go do it.

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There's been times where I thought dang it, that was a great idea and somebody else took it and ran with it.

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I could have done that and it's not a competition thing.

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I love it when we as S LPS and entrepreneurs and podcast just collaborate.

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So take the time, go do it step into what you want to do and don't waste any more days start today.

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What's that saying?

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The best time was yesterday, The second best time is now get going awesome.

383
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Best time to plant a tree was not you can't go back 15 years.

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Best time to plant the trees today.

385
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Absolutely.

386
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And you're planting lots of trees of knowledge and wisdom here, Maddie and I thank you and I want to ask you, where can people find you if they want to learn more about coaching or your podcast?

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Anything else?

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We'll come check me out at bad slp, you'll see a picture of me and Zeus the website is under construction where I'm at the end of my semester, so I haven't had the time to really launch like I want to, my main main main coaching is through fresh slp dot com and you can find me there as well.

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And then please come listen to me at the missing link for S.

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L.

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P's podcast.

392
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We are finishing up what I did learn in graduate school.

393
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It's a great series and we're starting a new podcast called speechless, where I'm interviewing a speech pathologist who is a school speech pathologist, a a C expert and in a matter of a few days ended up in an ICU unit tracked.

394
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Um so we're gonna be talking about how she was speechless.

395
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Well wow.

396
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Well, Maddie, clearly you're passionate about this field and many things and so I totally encourage everyone out there to check out Maddie's website.

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Going to Badass slp, listen to the missing link for S.

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L.

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P's podcast because if you can tell by Maddie's career, she's been through it all and you're gonna continue learning.

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This was just a tiny sliver of what you learned by going through her courses or just even just checking out her free stuff on her website.

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So, and fresh slp on instagram and then the missing link for fresh sl pieces on facebook, awesome Maddie, thank you so much for taking the time.

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I really enjoyed this conversation.

403
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Thanks James, I enjoyed it as well.

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